I don't get the belief that an old user shouldn't have to pay while all new people do. Simply because you have been on the server longer does not mean that you are somehow owed the right to be able to play on a server. You use this server just like anyone else, and I don't feel that anyone should be exempt from having to pay if we so choose to go this path simply because they started logging on a few days or weeks before.

We are not on that level yet, give us few month if you want us to achieve this. Just go look at their server specs and you'll understand. It would probally cost more than 800$ per month to have a server like theirs if we rented it. They probally own their dedicated.

And the pay to play is another subject. I dont think we are ready to get on this debate.

We have to or else we're going to lose A TON of members because most of us dont have a way to donate. I think adding the rule is a pretty good Idea I will make a thread just for a vote on that

Well i'll use me as an example. I've donated 50 i think so far (maybe 60, can't remember). That's 40 (50) more than the 10 entry fee. I know for a fact i wouldn't have joined the server if i had to pay 10 bucks to get in. So potentially, it can scare away future donators. Just a thought.

I think sawine is right, for now we should probably just implement the whitelist or a way to keeo greifers out.

but also sawine the way they get 800 is because of the new users everyday. idk

i wasnt thinking 10 dollars but like maybe 2 it would give in alot of income if people wanted to play it and i think it would stop the griefers alot

The only problem is not a lot of people have access to a credit cad and paypal

it can go through a bank account without a credit card i believe

O lol i didnt know that but still, how many average 12-16 year olds do you know that have acess to their parents bank accounts or a credit card

And thats the reason i cant donate