I agree with slurth here.

I feel that party chat would be a good alternative to a lot of chats requests lately made (town, faction).

Why is this irrelevant? or how would it create groups?

I mean, i dont even listen to global chat or i will miss every important msg. For me global chat is mostly local noise, ppl talking to eachother when they could be talking in local (some mod once said that local chat shouyld be standart chat and i totally agree).

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How does this helps me participate more in the community? The only thing i can get from global chat is an headache.

And mumble? well i never tried mumble, and do not intend to, but i'm against this, why take it out of the game when it can be ingame?

And why mumble and not one of the many alternatives? Are you sure you are not restricting it by using mumble or any other thing out of game engine? Are you helping the community as a whole with mumble? i dont think so (How many of us are actually on mumble?)

So i say party chat would be good to minetown. would allow ppl to actually group talk easely and do not have to type tells to so many ppl when tryong to group chat. Also it would be player managed avoiding mods intervention (as with faction channels).

They are not forcing you to use mumble. Use skype, Aim, Vent, MSN Messenger, QQ, any other social IM source machine that allows voice... anything, TS3 if you want. You sound like you got a little but hurt by them "forcing you to only use mumble."

As to how this would form groups? Every chat has it's own color. In a party chat, you'd be able to readily tell your friends' chat from local/global. You'd find this "easier" and do this only, causing you not to interact with the community. There's a pretty good chance that this will happen with everyone. Hell... if I used party chat, I can pretty much promise I'd form my own little group. Why bother distance a community from each? There's a reason a community exists (hopefully I don't need to spell that out for anyone).

You saying: "How does this helps me participate more in the community? The only thing i can get from global chat is an headache." First off, such a large exaggeration. Secondly.... I mean no offense, but you're one person (on the hypothetical that the statement you made is 100% true). Honestly, if global really does bother you, press F1. It makes the HUD disappear, therefore chat will disappear.

FYI... Minecraft does not support voice chat... just saying. Speaking to someone with your voice is MUCH MUCH MUCH easier than typing it out. If you didn't know... mumble is a low latency voice chat server device. It works perfectly with any games, causing minimal lag towards other programs.

Where are these "lot of chat requests lately made?" I've seen two others than this one... that makes three... not a lot. Just saying.

Well i have nothing against mumble, just saying i dont see why i *should* use mumble when party chat would solve this problem ingame.

I personnaly doesnt use it or will use it because my working and home environment does not allows me to chat through web.

About global, i dont need to turn hud off because i just turned global off! and i know a lot of ppl that did it also because global chat is impossible at times.

Also i dont feel that beeing out of global chat turns me off community, i've been knowing and interacting with a lot of players through local chat and by walking arround. Actually if i where in global i would probably be unable to talk so much...

So i feel party chat would be a great addition to all those ppl that dont use mumble or dont listen global chat.

That is all i said, nothing against mumble or anything else.

I see your points, however... party chat encourages people to become isolated. You can't so no to that. You're not an ideal representation of humanity (I mean on the average of all people on this server, I mean no offense toward you, I just don't know how to word that).

In addition... installing such a plugin would cause MORE lag, and people would then complain MORE. How would this cause lag? The plugin has to create so many party chats. These party chats can only be shown to the people involved. People would be able to be part of multiple party's, which then the plugin would have to say (oh snap, this person is in multiple party's, wtf? *crash*). Yes, exaggeration but still, you get my point. Lag = bad, yes? That's what everyone says. 20-30% of global is people complaining in some shape or form of lag, which additional plugins would cause.

Ok.

That is a good argument to *not* have a town chat.

I would say one have to wait for a plugin or even a minecraft version that would allow a plugin to not cause that much problem.

I still disagree with some points you made like party chat isolating players (cant see really how) or that most of minetown players do actually use mumble.

But i dont want to turn this thread into a "is mumble generally used" or anything else thread.

Tks for pointing lag and other problems out. Did this happened with faction channels?

WHAT 0.0

Oh dear god... this plugin will be the end of sociable minetown i swear

Private chats wouldn't isolate or kill the global chat. There's already hermits on our server who hardly talk to people.

I just typed /who and I see a load of names I've never seen contribute to a conversation. So we have all these people who never talk, yet we don't consider global chat to be dead.

The only thing in my mind that party chat would change is that four people could all talk to eachother at a time instead of only 1.

Ok dun id just like to say once invited to the party youd stay in the party. You wouldnt have to rejoin every time you log in and out. About mumble, I now that i can use mumble if i choose but i know for a fact in many house holds people dont want to talk to strangers and they would rather use a party chat. This would not be the end of sociable minetown coffeey. It would give people the option to chooseto talk to there friends. People could still easily type in /ch g to be back in global. There is really no difference between this and local chat. The main difference is that with party chat youd be able to talk over far distances and i know that my town is getting big and if my friends are on one side and im on the other local chat wont work.

like i said this would be a more casual way to talk with friends and avoid looking at global chat waiting for something your interested in. The main reason i posted this idea was because yesterday there were two players having a huge conservation in global chat and it was sorta annoying. They were talking to each other about what theyve been doing the past year. Thats a perfect example of when party chat would be useful, anyone that cared could have joined the party.

Honestly, if you had to choose... would you rather talk to your friends, or some total stranger that you've never seen/heard of before? Yeah... you want to talk to your friends. My point proven. Sure, out of all the older players (people who are familiar with most of all of the commands in game), they would use party chat and still remain social-able with many different people. However... what about all the new people? They won't have anyone. They'd be stuck with other new players, who also don't know how to use the commands. End result: Our server quality decreases. You can't reject this theory, as it is most probable.

Okay... here's the thing. You'd then have to NAME party chats if you work it like that. It would have to be made to do /ch party dunsjohn (showing that I am the leader of the party, and it would be a permanent party). In that situation, EVERYONE would ask for a party chat... if you have a leader, you can't actually join when they're offline, which is why the channel system would have to be upgraded. There's a thing about that... having a party chat with our current chat system would be the SAME thing as local channel... no point in having a party channel (another point).

I got news for you. There are hundreds of different conversations going on in global chat EVERY DAY. Get used to it. You're annoyed by one conversation? Then press ignore on those two people if you want. I believe the command is /ignore <player name>. It's case sensitive as well, so get that right.

Also... that's not a perfect example... lolololol. I talk to people on global chat about things I did MANY years ago, about things in my personal life. Hey duns, why are you moving to China once you finish university? Had that one three days ago. Hey duns, what did you do in high school? Had that one last week. Did anyone complain? Nope... guess what? Several people asked me and wanted to know the answers. If you get annoyed by such a conversation, you need to learn to just accept things. Yes, I'm being a dick and I won't apologize for this. It is impossible for the staff to put this plugin for your own selfish desires. You just admitted that you only want this for your own selfish reasons, and did not, yourself, provide any logical basis for your wanting of this plugin, therefore it shouldn't even be reconsidered by mods. It was already said no in the past few threads... it was said no in this thread... A Mod said no in your own thread, yet you're still trying to argue a point. Now (stating it again) you've stated it's for your selfish reasons. Mods are probably less likely to put it in now. As a large community, staff cannot cater to each individual's needs. Everything needs to be standardized. Hence the donator system.

If you want, mute the global and just use the /tell system or local channel with your friends. It's honestly not that hard to adapt, especially if it was only one conversation that upset you. If it was just that one conversation (don't try to say there were several times, because you didn't mention such and now if you say there were more, it wouldn't be that credible), then just ignore it. You don't have to read every single word every single person says. Just skim for names that you recognize and talk to them.

Humanity has progressed to where it is for one reason. Adaptation... I suggest you adapt, as we all do daily.

I'm not attacking you in this post... however I won't apologize if you feel insulted, because honestly... having a plugin for self reasons is useless.

EDIT: Lostbit, sorry. I should have clarified sooner. I meant the isolation of old players from new players. It would destroy growth. And considering that all places lose inhabitants continuously, this server will eventually start to decrease in size. We've come so far in the past 6 months. We went from 20-30 active players on average a day (when I first started) now to 150ish active players on average when I'm online. Sure, not many on now, but that's because of the bugs with the server due to the update. Once cleared up, we'll see the 150... or more. Those people would isolate into smaller groups (much like they already have), but new players would be stuck by themselves (I highly doubt one new player would know everything about our server).

I really don't think having private group channels would destroy the chat like you think it would Duns. You're kinda doom and gloom on the whole subject and I don't foresee it being like that at all.

Before all the updates where were private channels. There were relatively few but they still existed. Was chat destroyed then? No. Will chat be destroyed if there are party/town/faction/cookie chats? no.

You're acting like if people had access to private chats then they would forsake global chat. I think that's extremist and short sighted.

Saying that new players would only be able to talk to other new players who aren't in on the awesome veteran command knowing club is also silly. When people in chat ask a question about a command 4-5 people usually answer back (peak hours) telling them the correct command and syntax.