Zio, I don't think the spawners are the issue with the economy. Its the currency. I think all diamonds need to be sold for 50+ gold at 25+ and iron at 10+ and go up bi weekly. The spawners aren't to blame

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look the econamy is also diaing because people keep making credits by voteing and they never really leave the system (called inflation) its not just the diamonds we need an outlet, the credit shop is hardly one. the paying for w.e.'s it a good idea but you need to keep it up. their needs to be a constant stream of money going out, at the same rate as it is going in.

in a nut shell people voting is like printing more money buying from the server is like burning money

people who pile up their credits and go inactive is like money getting lost on the streets.

I have to agree on the voteing, its constantly adding new MT to system devalueing everything in the market. Same can be said about spawners as well except they are flooding the market with a few specific items like rods, and bone that effect food and manufacturing which does devalue specific item values but voteing MT affects everything.

Lance, http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/mob-spawn-control/ is another great plugin aimed at limiting the number of living entities produced from each spawner. If this does not conflict with our current plugins, I think it would benefit us a lot: less lag, slower trickle of mob loot items, spawn egg values are retained and may go up. Plus zero butthurts and no effort required on players for the switch.

I have to disagree with you on the economy ipwnin3D, prices are fairly stable and higher than they were a few months ago for almost everything. They are slowly rising. There are always going to be a few folks who will sell at low prices for a quick buck, but overall - prices have went up.

Having some rich folks around hurts nothing. Remember, they probably spent a long time earning the MTC and they do not hurt the economy with it. If anything rich folks serve to inflate prices a little, because they are willing to pay more for what they want. Also, most people over 300-400k do not play in the market, they deal with real estate and high dollar exchanges instead.

Back to the gold conversation now, before the Bank stopped exchanging Gold>Diamond I was forced by popular demand to stop selling for gold in my shop. People do not want to use gold as currency, simple as that - I had to change to MTC well before the gold exchange went down.

You guys are wrong - more MTC from voting caused a little inflation and shops are charging a little more for materials. There may be more MTC to go around from voters, but the result is retailers charging a bit more (they vote too).

Voting is very important to server population, and those who vote should be rewarded with some buying power.

Voting, working, and retail are the 3 main ways to earn MTC. They are pretty well-balanced imo.

Voting is an easy way to get a lot of MTC fast. It's ok to give out some, but the amount given out now is too much.

Basically how's see it

We implenment a reasonable spawner limiter

Reduced rewards from voting

That's the best course of action for now

I think we really need to move away from diamonds as an official currency, yes they ca still be used for trading but removing them would mean no exchange rate problems, plus while a buy back program for diamonds is underway the MTC plugin made more developed adding decimals to money.

I think this would be a good move for the future, it's a big change but I believe it could be positive in the long run. Is not making people lose money, or gain money if they buy back program is done right it's just a change in format, this would save problems with change rates, I know some people have used the exchange rate instability to gain ALOT of money, and we don't want that now do we <object class="emojione" data="https://resources.enjin.com/1489581540/themes/core/images/emojione/svg/1f61b.svg?0" type="image/svg+xml" standby=":p">:p</object>

What do you guys think about this idea?

Okay Zionia, Im seriously freaking out about all this. And I mean freaking out. Im really sorry, but I hope things stay the same. But I am trusting you because I know you mean for the best alright?

First, the reason I'm so stressed. Ever since I joined the server, one year ago, I've had a dream of running an exp farm. okay, maybe back then my goal was just a small wool farm as I set up shop in Shoreline, but it gradually evolved. By April, I was working hard in the XP farm buisness, competing with some of the big farms running at the time. I remember my original ShadowExp- It was a circular drop tower. Nothing fancy, all made of cobble and with skeleton, zombie and spiders on the roof. Then I remember tearing it all down and building the original ShadowEXP facility with StealthM23. I really have some great memories in this, and we evolved into one of the best in the buisness. Now I'm working hard, spending nearly all my time mining and building our new and improved facility.

I've spent nearly all of my time and money on minetown working twords this in the long run. I really don't want to see it go. I know the 'Guilt Trip' thing is kindof overused and not very effective, just I like to remember the times. Nostalgia is my weak point.

For my say, I really think the economy will do fine once we just cut down on the inflation crisis. I thought that it would be better once people started making beacons to use up currency, but it seems that it only caused more lag. In my opinion, the economy is doing fine, but again I'm not the best when it comes to the value of money. I also agree that voting is too high. When I first joined, if you voted all of them every 24 hours youd get around 1100 mtc. Now it's more than doubled that!

Maybe though, if something does happen there can be a way out of it- an exception of sorts. You know how Nimaro has Ghast and Silverfish spawners even though they aren't allowed? Well, maybe we can have some sort of permit system for the spawners you'd be cancelling out. Of course if you want to balance it you can either make the permits pay-to-have or make some sort of application thread... I'm thinking too much into this.

Long story short, Zionia I'm trusting you 100% okay? Please just make it work, I'll try and agree with whatever the discesion is... Its really hard though, because by you trolling us like that I've lost some of my trust for you but Im still pushing myself to, no matter what happens you're still one of my top fav mods for all the help you've given me over the past year-and-one-month.

Regards, PokemonGardevor.

PS- A notice, SHADOWEXP will no longer be buying, selling, or engaging in the trade of spawners within the following weeks.

You all Cry about adden MTC by voting? Zio is Doing staff work to Collect all those MTC and keep the Rate up.

Please keep an eye out for the Spawner thread coming out in about an hour (so long as my laptop dun lose power again). I would really appreciate having all the comments, suggestions and constructive criticism in one place so i can sort thru it all before we do officially set things in stone.

ill have all the reasoning and goals of these projects im doing there so you can see why some things are being done the way they are...the issue im having right now is ive been asking for you opinions over the past 2 or 3 months and they came in trickles. we finally find a solution that will require the least work or sacrifice for anyone and now im getting a flood of issues and complaints that im trying to deal with blocking my time from explaining it...the limiter is a test...it needs to be tweaked a lot more than i was informed of now that we see the issues in the large server...ill try to get it up to an excessive rate ASAP and then adjust back down till it is balanced. please be patient till i can get an admin to adjust the numbers. I should have the official post about spawners and such up in an hour so long as i can focus on it. I apologize for all the confusion and issues that are going on, but i promise it will go back....

ill just leak it now to calm some of your nerves, this plugin will make it so we dont have to go back to mbox if you dont want to.

We have upped the spawnrate from 1 to 10, This change will take effect on the next server restart. This is all part of us finding a happy balance for the limiter to sit at.