First off, let me start by introducing myself.

My in-game name is Seyphealex, also known as "Sey", "Seyph", or by some: "Alex"

I've been playing on Minetown for close to what is it... 9 months?

I've been here since the Almighty CodyHollaway ruled the server (may he rest in peace in the bosoms of his girlfriend) and was here when the unfortunate Broly incident occurred. After a while, I haven't been as active as I wanted to be due to work and school. I would occasionally drop in and see how things are going.

But with my schedule now in a good spot, I have more free time and want to spend some of it playing Minecraft/Minetown once again.

However, my return to Minetown was at a bad time when 1.8 coming out and the main server not being updated. So I've been playing on the temp servers until everything gets settled. On this latest map (by far the longest lasting), I was given creative mode by the One Above All sawine. I then proceeded to build an 83 radius stone brick tower up to the sky limit. I worked inside the interior and now it is almost finished with many small details needed to be done. Most if not all visitors so far to the tower have been impressed if not in awe at least.

I've asked sawine early in the development of the tower if I could keep it and his only response was "maybe".

Mentioning this in another topic, I was both supported and opposed in the idea of moving it to the main server.

Probably the biggest opposition is DanniDorito with her...semi-extensive responses (longer at least than the 1 sentence ones by other posters).

Her latest one brings up good points that i want to refute:

And I bet you got those given to you, unless you found the stronghold

This was mentioned about stone bricks not being in 1.7.

First off, I'm creative. I was not given them, I "spawned" them myself.

Secondly, this statement assumes that the only way to acquire stone bricks is to break them from a stronghold. No. I mean someone as active as you on both in-game and forum matters should know that stone bricks in 1.8 can be crafted from... obviously stone.

Thirdly, I do not even know if you ever saw the tower but the amount of stone bricks used would have surpassed every stone brick naturally spawned in all three strongholds

You could have Im not arguing with youstarted to design your tower in 1.7, then when the proper 1.8 map comes out you could have replaced the blocks with stone bricks.

Oh wait, you wish for me to use dirt or cobblestone to design an 83 radius tower to sky limit along with every platform and feature inside, then replace every single block by hand with stone brick? You're insane.

Im not arguing with you

By stating your disapproval and giving evidence, you are in fact arguing with me.

Definition of argument:

1 an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one

2 a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong

(from the Oxford Dictionary)

im just pointing out if your allowed a tower moved across made from spawned items, why cant everyone else? Your argument of 'its amazing' will not be valid; my diamond house is amazing and im not expecting that to be moved across

This is the where the 'meat' of my argument will be.

Lets start off with the 'it's (from someone from the UK, you sure made an elementary mistake there) amazing' part.

Yes that is true, an 'it's amazing' defense would not work. The look of any structure is subjective so I move on to my next point.

Although not the best answer nor the most mature, I will still debate this point. The reason why a diamond house would NEVER be moved over is so incredibly obvious to the point where I need not explain it. On the other hand, my tower is made up of nothing but stone bricks, glowstone, and glass; items that are 10000x easier to obtain than diamond mined naturally. A house made up of even a stack of diamond blocks would still take more time to mine than my tower of a few tens of thousands (or possibly even hundreds of thousands, but who is counting eh?) stone brick. Glowstone is only a tad harder to obtain. I could walk through a portal and mine it all within a short period or purchase them from the credit shop/other players. The glass is a non-factor, too easy obtain and i don't use enough of it in my tower to warrant any objections.

This last point I'm about to make could perhaps be my most heated one. The quick and dirty answer is that you and most of the newer people believe that Minetown is "all legit". Maybe it was once so several months back, but now? I LAUGH at anyone who thinks so. Why aren't we allowed to spawn items at will and create whatever structures we wish? I have no idea. Is it preserve the illusion that Minetown is made up of legitimate structures, all their material gained by hand? Maybe or maybe not.

*cough* Uhhh I gotta start heading to class, will elaborate more on the last point and start on my arguments on why my tower should be moved to the main server after I finish.

So basically, you think you should be given free materials while everyone else has to work for them. Because in essence, that's what you're saying.

It doesn't matter if the materials are mundane, if that were a valid point, why not everyone be given an infinite supply of dirt, gravel, sand, cobble, stone, and stonebrick

You were given creative mode, probably used fly, and you built a huge structure. Congrats, but I say no.

pics or it didnt happen

Umm, I think you're forgetting: you're on a temp map. You should have thought about this project before starting it. I would like to keep my nyan cat, but that would be cheating because I spawned the items to make it. So no; if you want to remake this tower when we are fully updated, go ahead. (We might not be fully updated for another couple of weeks, as Notch and Jeb plan to release a possible 1.9 tomorrow.) But I would not copy this over just because you spent hours on it.

i am sorry but unless you make the amount of materials that it would of coast to build legit in the main sever then you should be allowed but you have to collects and make it all yourself and relay in being kind cause you should not not be able to transfer

Lol, the only things that aren't legit are some structures in spawn. Almost 98% of our server is legit. Dunno what your talking about.

I am 100% against this. I feel it is totally unfair for him to request his tower to be moved across and then others will want their builds moved too, most of which are made out of spawned items. I made a diamond house D:

Secondly you have pointed out stone bricks can be made out of stone blocks. Then why didnt you stay on the 1.7 server and stock up ready for 1.8

Many people have done that and I know they'll be pretty pissed if someone comes along and gets their buildings moved across when 1.7 players have been patiently waiting for 1.8 to come to the main server.

That map you were on was a TEMP map, meaning it was expected to be there for only a short period of time and get deleted. You knew this when you joined that map and started building so you should have expected this coming.

You know what, I would rather not spend another half hour - hour writing the rest. Rather spend my night doing something else.

My tower > Your stuff

Thats basically it. I used creative mode to create a grand structure while everyone else made small buildings that can easily be duplicated in 5 minutes of work. Instead of wasting creative mode on a multiplayer server making small time stuff, I made damn good stuff. "Oh but it's just a temp server, it'll get deleted! Why should I make something that is just going to get erased?" Besides the admins and owner, who else would ever get creative mode in Minetown? Why would you want to waste the time you get to use it and show off what you are capable of? Why NOT go wild with it? Instead most of you create buildings that are EASILY copied.

Also @ the argument of "98% of Minetown is legit" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Legit is going down into the ground, using tools you made and mining or digging it all manually.

Legit was digging a 110x110x55 hole BY HAND with the entire server backing you and going through diamond picks every 5 seconds (Atlantis).

You can practically "buy with real money" everything you ever need now.

I love sawine (no homo) and I can understand why he does what he does, but still trying to hide behind a "legitimate curtain" isn't fooling anyone (except a certain few...)

You want money? Donate as much as you want and you'll get as much gold and diamonds as you can pay for.

You want labor + time? Land clear for donations.

You want POWER? Just donate a few thousand dollars and fail at it...

Anyone who has EVER used the credit shop and used those items CAN NOT be legit. THOSE ITEMS ARE SPAWNED.

Anyone who has a large underwater/underground thing going on (other than Atlantis) is not legit. They paid for the land to be cleared.

Anyone who has EVER EVER donated more than $5 and gained gold/diamonds out of is not legit. Again, those are all spawned.

Again, I can understand and I DO NOT hate the donations. They keep the server afloat, but anyone who keeps calling Minetown legit is a plain fool.

Pssh I got carried away, thought this was just a short reply.

P.S. If you're reading this MastaC, you still have to either remake my sky platform or refund me the materials.

Narcissistic jackass.

I say no. You sandboxed in creative, great. Hope you enjoyed it. Your tower isn't so much better than everyone elses everything that you should ignore the rules everyone else is more than happy to abide by.

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